Excellent article on the need for Universal Health Care in the U.S., including a call to arms.

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First, I will need to read this more carefully and analyse every point, before I make a more thorough comment. However, what I do notice about the comments and posts on this subject(as well as many articles) is that they don't address the doctor's role in this. While it's true not covering certain procedures is a failing and a thievery by the insurance companies, the additional problem lies in that the fees doctors ask to perform these procedures are exhorbitant. The United States strength and weakness liesi n one and the same thing- it's purely capitalist system. A doctor who works in the US truly believes he is free to charge whatever he wishes for his services. Anything else would be restraint of trade, a big no-no in the capitalist system. However, no restraint of trade only works when there is not a monopoly. So if there are two fruitsellers and one sells plums for a dollar, whilst the second sells his for half that, we in our capitalist society are free to buy from the second fruit vendor. That's how no restraint of trade works- it increases competition and in order to stay in business, the onus is onthe business owner to provide the best services, prices, etc, so that the consumer chooses him instead of the next business owner.

But the American Medical Association has seen to it that there is no competition. They grant fewer and fewer licenses so that doctors here are limited. Doctors then have more patients than they know what to do with, and the demand for doctors and good medical care outweighs the supply. One can't practice medicine in the US unless one has a license.

An additional factor is that the doctors' medical malpractice insurance in this country is astronomical because of outrageous punitive damages courts continually grant patients who are suing doctors for malpractice. Some of these patients have truly been screwed, but many sue because they can and because a shark lawyer sees dollar signs in these frivolous suits. As a result, doctors add these costs onto their final price tag.

I know Michael Moore made it seem simplier than this in his film, Sicko, but he never adressed these two other factors. We are up against the powerful lobbies of the American Medical Association and the American Bar Association. To deplete their power is next to impossible, unless there was a United effort by every US citizen to rally their congressmen and get them out of office unless they officiate change. I am doubtful this will occur.

That's why I think the only realistic solution is to offer doctors something else besides money that they might want in order to lower their fees on the more expensive procedures. If they lower their fees, we can force the insurance companies to cover more of these procedures and pre-exisiting conditions, because it will cost them less to do so.

My first idea was to offer doctors a discount on malpractice insurance, or an immunity to some law suits for performing radical surgeries pro bono. In other words, if a bone marrow transplant is a cancer patient's only hope, but it's been categorised as a one-in-a-hundred chance of working, the who doctor offers to perform it for free must then be immune from being sued if it doesn't work.

However, then we're going up against the Bar Association.They won't like having to take a cut in pay from fewer law suits. My husband, who worked in the insurance business for a time, says my idea is so full of holes it's like Swiss cheese. He sites doctors' greed and incompetence as two of it's main flaws.

Though I still think there's a way to make my first idea work, my second thought is to increase competition through doctors licensed in other countries. It's could operate like the illegal immigrant flap in reverse. US citizens say illegals come here and work for less pay, thus increasing unemployemt for legal citizens who want higher pay. Well, what if a service was provided to transport those who want to go out of the country for cheaper surgeries, medicines, etc. If more US citizens took their illnesses out of the country, they are removing a souce of income for both the insurance companies and the doctors. Let's take Canada, for example. A clever way for Canada to make money would be to provide low cost insurance to people who are not Canadians. Allow non-citizens to use their doctors, etc, but for a fee. The fee charged should undercut the cost of medical insurance here and/or the price one would pay for a doctor's visit or a surgery for those who are uninsured here. (in the US, I mean) This would eventually force insurance companies and doctors here to compete. Right now those in the US who seek medical care outside the country are negligible.It's difficult for the uninsured or underinsured to find a way to inexpensively leave teh country for surgeries. And, because most countries have universal health care, those who do leave the US for medical services are not adding to the foreign countries coffers because in most cases, they are illegally utilising these services. But if countries who did have universal health care allowed foreigners in and charged them for using services, they add to their nations' own treasury, while promoting competition in the United States. Italso still keep their own universal health care systems intact and removes the aspect of people 'sneaking in' for medical car.

I'm waiting for members of our group to shoot my ideas down.

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These are some really interesting points that coact with the above article in providing a way to better the current health care situation.

I have often wondered if there was some way to encourage doctors to practice for less. What about some sort of reform on the cost of education. Undergraduate, medical, and residence education/training is expensive, but does it have to be? If doctors came out of their schooling with less debt and job security then maybe the purity of practicing medicine would remain and the greed of making the most money would not be so strong. It might only have an immediate effect on the recent graduates, but it could be a nice start and may draw some sincere people into the field.

Furthermore, we need to focus more on prevention. America practices a "sick role" model - you get sick, you go to a doctor (yes, probably because most Americans do not have adequate health insurance to cover preventative care), but the lack of proper coverage only strengthens the necessity for prevention. We live in a "toxic" society, especially considering heart disease, diabetes, and obesity are the major players when discussing preventable deaths. We need to focus community outreach programs and interventions that teach people the impact they have on their own health and well being. We need to do that with or without proper heath insurance.

You know, I had hoped that if I put my idea out there, some could brainstorm it, I never thought about the cost of medical school I think it's an excellent possibility. Maybe even mandating future docs that, as a requirement to getting their license, to do a certain amount of pro bono work and then per year in exchange for keeping their licenses updated. Currently practicing doctors could be 'grandfathered,' if they wish, but those who volunteer to be part of the new pro bono prgramme should get an incentive, too.

As for the rest of your comment I so agree. The unhealthiest foods for example are the cheapest, which eplains why so many poor and uninsured have the most health problems. After-school programmes should include nutrition and exercise education as well as dental health. Parents who utilised the free afterschool programmes or the welfare system shoud be required to attend classes on health and nutrition perhaps once a month. There could be an incentive for buying healthier foods, too, such as a double coupons for fresh fruit, instead of nutritionally poor snacks.

You are right to point to the doctor as an important stakeholder in the debate on health care. When we consider that the list of stakeholders includes some very powerful people who have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo, then the task of health care reform is indeed formidable. That has been the task down through history when injustices to the people have had to be overcome. And the health care system in the U.S. is an injustice in that it best serves the interests of the rich and powerful at the expense of the rest of society.

Just as we can identify the stakeholders who wish to maintain the status quo, so too can we identify the stakeholders who desire change. From what I can see that includes the mass of people who not only can't afford health insurance but those who can. I was particularly interested to read in the article that for many people the threat of losing health insurance is a powerful weapon used by employers to bring employees to heel. I hadn't realised that before, and yet Sicko did show a 79 year old man still working so that he could have access to health insurance. That is no way to treat senior citizens.

So, I think the stakeholders can be broadly classified into corporate America, and the rest, with politicians walking a tightrope trying to placate both sides in order to advance their best interests, namely survival. That is why the above article is critical of the Democrats. He knows that Republicans are never going to go against the interests of corporate America. Where the campaign for Universal Health Care has failed is that Democrats have allowed themselves to be seduced by corporate America.

So, it seems to me that before we get down to the nitty gritty of what sort of health care system we want, we should take a step backwards, and arrive at a plan of attack. I'll leave it at that, as I think this demands a post where we can discuss that plan of attack. I do feel we are getting somewhere, and am encouraged by the comments.

We have a Universal Health Care group here which you may care to join. You may not be aware that I am an Australian living under a Universal Health Care system. I believe so passionately in it that I have formed the UHC group with the express desire of creating a meeting place for those who wish to have a UHC system in the U.S. and elsewhere.

You may be interested in the comments on our health care system of an expat American here who is living in Australia. She has something to say about why some American doctors also like our system.

You make a valid point that preventative health care is desirable. The Australian Government is moving in that direction addressing the problem of childhood obesity. But our Private Health funds (yes, we do have them) are also making provision in that area too. I am presently on a diet paid for by my health fund in order to lose weight to control my Type 2 diabetes. (8 kg so far which pleases me and my doctor greatly).

I look forward to further contributions from you to our group.

In certain school in districts in WA state they have a program called "FoodSense". My kids have participated in it for the last several years and have enjoyed being in the program. It teaches the advantages of healthy foods, healthy diets, and active lifestyles. It is a once a week program and if more school districts had it, it would be beneficial to those kids.

Also, the school district my kids are in have a "salad bar" that they can freely choose what they want as a side for their lunch - as opposed to serving french fries. Different then when I was growing up! My kids love it! Their only complaint is that they don't have as many choices in salad dressings as they do at home.

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"A human being is a part of the whole, called by us, "Universe," a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. Nobody is able to achieve this completely, but the striving for such achievement is in itself a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security." : Albert Einstein - (1879-1955) Physicist and Professor, Nobel Prize 1921

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