Why, indeed.

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I agree with the central argument of this essay, but this is a knife that cuts both ways. Just yesterday, as we celebrate Gay Pride in Minneapolis, a family of fundamentalist Christians were arrested after they refused to stop selling Bibles and haranguing the passer-bys with their hate message at the street fair. They said their right to freedom of speech was being violated, but the organizers of the fair had told this family that all vendors had to buy a permit.

To me it was as if the KKK had set up a booth at the local Juneteenth fair or a festival celebrating multiculturalism: it was advocating hate among people who believe in tolerance and love. But then, could a street fair sponsored by the local Catholic diocese eject a group of atheists for handing out their literature? If you support the argument of the first example, then you have to support the right of the Church to tell the atheist to leave. If you believe a public venue should be open to all comers, then you support the right of the Bible thumpers to push their hate speech onto a gay audience. Democracy works when everyone is respectful of each others' right to exist or speak, but in the U.S. (or Iraq, for that matter) that just rarely seems to happen.
This is a good article. Most Christians would prefer a don't-ask-don't-tell policy for atheists. It distresses them greatly to hear that anyone could believe there is no god. Agnostics they can tolerate because there's a chance they can convert them, but the fact that people exist who choose to believe what the preponderance of evidence supports (that there is no invisible, benevolent, omnipotent being that oversees all yet allows innocent people to suffer and evil people to thrive because of some master plan that we're too stupid to understand) throws their world askew.

Concerning free speech going both ways, that's the foundation of American Democracy, but there are limits to it. It's established precedent that you can't incite people to violence or say things that cause an immediate public hazard (like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater). It's also well-established that you don't have the right to trespass or violate the law in other ways in order to make your statement. If a particular group sponsors a public event, then people opposing the views of that group can protest it, but that doesn't mean they can do it in the middle of the event.
Atheists have yet to come banging on my door to ask me if I have found the absence of god.
Atheists don't close down everyone's businesses for a sabbath, or to celebrate the non-birth of a the son of a non-existent god.
So what is the problem?


I think it all goes back to when the rulers saw the value of religion in controlling the masses. And over time the masses got the message that if they wanted to enjoy such "freedoms" as life itself, then they had better get religion, preferable the same as the ruler's religion.

As science began to undercut the authority of the churches, religion began to lose its power to control, but the state still winks at religion to do the job of controlling the masses.

The herd instinct is also prevalent in our genes, and in the absence of anything else giving certainty, then the herd still tends to cling to its religious truths. Anyone challenging those truths is seen as removing certainty, and for this reason, people feel uncomfortable with atheism, and discourage atheists from propagating their views. Paradoxically, they use the free speech argument to try to deny free speech to those with whom they disagree, as in the street fair you quote.


Most Christians would prefer a don't-ask-don't-tell policy for atheists.

I like that comparison. It does take a certain amount of courage to break with the herd. Nowhere better described than in this quote that adorns my blog:

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.": Rudyard Kipling - (1865-1936)



Atheists have yet to come banging on my door to ask me if I have found the absence of god.

I had a dyslexic knock on my door once to ask if I'd found Dog.


If the Fundamentalists didn't go so hard to change education programs into their fantasy world I'd probably be more tolerant.

As I have said before "Folk can live their fantasy until it cuts across someone elses." That's where the trouble starts.
Exactly. If you're an atheist, you have to talk about it occasionally, unless you're happy just sitting back and watching the fundies theocratize the country.

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"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. To be your own man is hard business. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.": Rudyard Kipling - (1865-1936)

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